Existance

[Jakey]

A question that has always bothered me...
How do I know any of you really exist?
(I know this sounds self-centred, but read on)
Basically, I know I exist, I am me and therefore have direct access to my neurolinguistic systems. But, how do I know anyone else truly "exists"?
An analogy I came up with backalong was the NPC analogy - you are the only 'real' person, everyone else in NPC's. They are there to guide you and shape you.
I mean, how can I be for sure that anyone else exists? But, the thing ids, no matter what you reply with, it can always be interperated differrently (eg if you say "but i know I exist as well", I could respind with "how do I know that? Couldn't you be 'programmed' to say that?").

It's an odd question. And I hope to God (Kevin Jeremy Ross) that it isn't true, because I want people to exist - I want to relaise and understand that there are others that have "life". But... it's an argument that - as far as i look at it - I cannot flaw. So it's difficult.
(Sorry if this does sound self-centred, but you know where I'm coming from... or at least I hope you do)
What do you think (whether any of us exist or not)?

[PhantomZero]

Well, I'm not sure if my answer is what you're looking for. I know most of the people here at school so I KNOW they exist.

Believe in the Kevin Jeremy Ross and he shall grant you the truth!

[[[.:black lily:.]]]

Well....um...if someone can express feelings, then couldn't that mean they have a mind to feel that certain way? And for senses, someone who purposely runs towards a solid brick wall, wouldn't they have second thoughts on making that action? And if they don't say ouch, but something random like, "I just ate a muffin," then you know... they're kinda....strange. I think.... I don't know....I'm just confusing myself.... ><

[PhantomZero]

Oh, NOW I get what you mean. I actually realized that 3 hours ago while studying. But... I know what you mean, I always thought about that.

"What if everyone is just some kind of program that runs, and it's purpose is to interact with you, or to interact with the people you interact with?" I'm not really sure of the answer. After a while I just gave into the fact worrying about it because you probally won't find the answer until you die... After all, aren't the other people just like you and me? Blood and flesh, body and soul?

[Jakey]

I sure as frigging well hope so.
Yeah, you hit the nail on the head with the program anaolgy.
And I know that I man never find the answer until I die. But, because of my stubbornness (I'm one stubborn son-of-a-b***h) I like to find out answers.
Hmm... meh. I'll leave it be for a while.

[sakura]

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[Dark Chaos Angel]

I know exactly what you mean. I have felt the same way just not as much as it sounds like you have. What if no humans exist except for me and all of you are just illusions of my mind. What if I'm asleep right now and I'm dreaming of hitting every key I type, every lyric sung to me and all of you of course. If I have a dream about one of you then do you exist in my dream or are you just me wrapped in an illsionary disguise in my dream. Then what is to stop it from being so that every time I look at you that I'm only dreaming that I see you. how do you define existance? I am acknoleaged of my own thoughts so I must exist. I acknolage your thoughts and ideas but I can't feel the same thought process. If you hug someone, kiss someone, or fuck someone, can't all those emortions and physical feelings be just thoughts in your mind? Especally since just mere thoughts of doing such things brings aboutr simular effect on your body. Or would love be strong enough to break through these uncertain thoughts of exsistance? All our thoughts, friends, and reality could all just be like a computer program fellowing commands blinding us.

This be the hardest for you Jakey since you have never seen anyone on this forum.

[Jakey]

Yay, a person/program that understands me! ;D
Yeah... all the things we see, hear, touch, taste, smell, all may be illusions. They all may be our mind telling us that "tomatoes taste like this" and "cabbage tastes like that".
I didnt want to mention love in the fear of sounding too soppy, but if the great KJR can do it it must be alright
Yeah... I was thinking that to be in love would be to feel, and understand another person's mentality. To grasp the world they live in. Would feeling that, knowing that, understanding that, would they prove your existance, as well as others?
...
I hope so --;;;

[[[.:black lily:.]]]

:meep!: But if everything around us isn't real and is just a figment of our imagination, and if each individual has his or her own mind, while other's think that person doesn't exist, it's kind of like the same feeling of loneliness. And if everything is fake, what is there to believe in? But then again, you can have your own little world! =)

But if we are just programs, well...I'm happy that I get to talk/meet all of you!!